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- Archive-name: off-line-readers/usenet/intro
- Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: intro
- Posting-Frequency: weekly
- Original-Author: Rhys Weatherly
- Last-modified: 1995-02-22
-
- ============================================================================
-
- part 01/02 intro
-
- 1 Credits and Disclaimer
- 2 Overview
- 3 Newsgroups of interest to offline readers
- 4 What is an offline reader?
- 5 What is the difference from getting a news feed?
- 6 What are QWK and BlueWave?
- 7 What is SOUP?
- 8 What is ZipNews?
-
- part 02/02 software
-
- 100 Where can I get the software?
- 200 Where are the QWK readers?
- 300 common sites, template
- 400 author contacts
- 500 ftp sites
- 600 miscellaneous
- 700 packers
- 800 readers
-
- ============================================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: QWK and crayons
-
- using QWK for Internet mail or Usenet is like using wax crayons for all
- your business correspondence. it'll get your message across, but only
- to those people who don't throw it away without opening it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: Credits and Disclaimer
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- This FAQ is based in part on one by Dave Cheung <Dave.Cheung@infocom.co.uk>,
- last posted to alt.usenet.offline-reader in April 1993.
-
- It was updated and posted by Rhys Weatherly for a while.
-
- It was then digestified and hardly (if at all) modified by Russell Schulz
- <auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
-
- Whilst every effort has been taken to ensure the information contained
- herein is correct, neither the current author, the current poster, nor
- any previous author or previous poster can accept ANY LIABILITY WHATSOEVER
- for errors, ommissions or damage howsoever caused.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: Overview
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- A common question on netnews these days is "how do I package up my
- mail and news to be read offline?". This FAQ attempts to answer
- this question for e-mail and netnews, to point the reader at
- relevant software, and to describe some of the ongoing efforts in
- this area. Other networks such as FidoNet, CompuServe, etc. are not
- covered.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: Newsgroups of interest to offline readers
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- alt.usenet.offline-reader is for the discussion of offline systems
- for netnews in general. This includes the installation and use of
- offline systems, and the discussion of "packet formats" to
- facilitate offline activities.
-
- comp.os.msdos.mail-news is for the discussion of any aspect of
- managing RFC-compliant mail and news on MS-DOS machines, and is
- not limited to the discussion of offline activities.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: What is an offline reader
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- The concept of offline reading comes from BBS world where a user
- connects via a modem to the bbs, and downloads a file (usually
- called a packet) containing all unread messages since the last
- connection. Then a program is used, to extract the messages from the
- packet, read them and reply to them, creating a reply packet to be
- uploaded at the next connection. This saves time (the bbs lines are
- less engaged) and money (on phone bills). It also means that the
- user can make use of much friendlier reading tools than can be made
- available in an interactive login environment.
-
- For the purposes of this FAQ, "offline" is defined to mean the
- following: "transferring mail and news in some form from an existing
- interactive account to a user's machine, usually via a modem, so
- that the messages may be read while the user is not connected to the
- account, and so that replies may be composed to be uploaded to the
- account at some later time to be injected into the network".
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: What is the difference from getting a news feed?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- Another definition of "offline" pertains to the system administrator of
- a mail and news site (usually a UUCP site) who reads mail and news while
- the machine is not physically connected to the network, usually with
- some friendly third-party utility. This usage is common in the Waffle
- community.
-
- It is often the case that your server can provide you with an automatic
- transfer method to send you mail and news. This is called a "feed" and
- can be received by modem using the UUCP protocol (among other methods).
-
- There is no big difference with the "offline reading" concept except
- that it is a little more automated. If your home machine runs on a
- multi-tasking system you can even set it to call the server regularly.
- You can also start feeding other machines.
-
- The disadvantage is that getting a feed is a little more complicated
- than using an offline reader, there are usually more programs to
- install and to configure. For MS-DOS machines, see the FAQ for
- comp.bbs.waffle for information on a popular UUCP system for receiving
- a feed.
-
- SNUUPM is a package designed to allow simple installation of the full
- UUPC, SNews, and PMail (Pegasus Mail) packages.
-
- uufree is another such package, but none of the packages is shareware,
- and the installation time has been kept to an absolute minimum.
-
- At the start, especially if you want few newsgroups, you may want
- to begin with an offline news reader and then maybe move to a
- feed when you feel more confident.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: What are QWK and BlueWave?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- QWK and BlueWave are the names of popular packet formats in the BBS
- community. QWK was originally created to get messages for PC-Board
- bulletin boards and FidoNet "mail areas" (the equivalent of netnews
- newsgroups). It became a de-facto standard since more and more QWK
- readers are available not only on MS-DOS machines but on all
- architectures.
-
- However, the QWK and BlueWave formats are not capable of carrying
- RFC-compliant messages such as Internet mail and netnews. Some
- efforts have been made to adapt QWK to netnews, but at best the
- extra information present in netnews messages has been ignored by
- existing readers, and at worst the extra information is truncated
- or lost. Some of this information, for example the Message-ID:
- and References: headers, is very important to netnews, and the
- loss of this information causes problems for other netnews
- readers.
-
- Some packages try to put all the RFC-compliant header information
- in the _bodies_ of the messages, which creates a lot of ugly
- messages when these aren't intercepted, but also doesn't solve
- the problem of creating _correct_ headers, since the QWK programs
- will just let any old garbage out, and your messages can silently
- disappear, without you getting any warning until it's too late.
-
- As mentioned, there are already a _ton_ of QWK readers. if you're
- looking for a programming project, see the next section. it'll be
- about as much work, but a lot more fun because it's a lot less
- likely to be ignored once you finish.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: What is SOUP?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- SOUP == "Simple Offline USENET Packet" format. It is intended as a
- replacement for QWK in the netnews community. The messages stored in
- SOUP packets are completely RFC-compliant so that no critical
- information is lost. Software which supports SOUP on a variety of
- platforms is available. See "Where can I get the software?" later in
- this FAQ for more information.
-
- SOUP was originally called the "Helldiver Packet Format" or HDPF, and
- was devised by Rhys Weatherley (rhys@cs.uq.oz.au) near the end of 1992.
- A variant of HDPF, called the "Simple Local News Packet" format or SLNP,
- was devised by Philippe Goujard (ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk) soon afterwards.
- SOUP now combines the features of both HDPF and SLNP. Rhys Weatherley
- currently maintains the "official copy" of the format document.
-
- The SOUP format document may be found on any SimTel FTP mirror as
-
- offline/soup12.zip
-
- The latest copy may also be obtained by mailing Rhys Weatherley at the
- above e-mail address.
-
- SOUP also has the ability to download "summaries" of message
- areas. That is, downloading just the header information for the
- user to peruse and then choose what messages they want to be
- downloaded later. This can be useful in very large newsgroups
- where a user typically only reads a few messages and wishes to
- avoid downloading the rest of the "noise". This feature is not
- currently widely implemented however.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o intro: What is ZipNews?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- ZipNews is an offline reading system that was developed
- independently by Jack Kilday (jkilday@nlbbs.com). It is primarily
- intended for Waffle, PC-Board and Wildcat! systems, although the
- UQWK package can generate ZipNews packets (and process ZipNews reply
- packets) on Unix systems. Only one ZipNews compliant reader exists.
- SOUP and ZipNews formats are superficially very similar, and it is
- not inconceivable that a reader for one format could be adapted to
- read the other format. The ZipNews reader can also function as a
- local newsreader for Waffle system adminstrators.
- Archive-name: off-line-readers/usenet/software
- Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: software
- Posting-Frequency: weekly
- Original-Author: Rhys Weatherly
- Last-modified: 1995-02-16
-
- ============================================================================
-
- part 01/02 intro
-
- 1 Credits and Disclaimer
- 2 Overview
- 3 Newsgroups of interest to offline readers
- 4 What is an offline reader?
- 5 What is the difference from getting a news feed?
- 6 What are QWK and BlueWave?
- 7 What is SOUP?
- 8 What is ZipNews?
-
- part 02/02 software
-
- 100 Where can I get the software?
- 200 Where are the QWK readers?
- 300 common sites, template
- 400 author contacts
- 500 ftp sites
- 600 miscellaneous
- 700 packers
- 800 readers
-
- ============================================================================
-
- Whilst every effort has been taken to ensure the information contained
- herein is correct, neither the current author, the current poster, nor
- any previous author or previous poster can accept ANY LIABILITY WHATSOEVER
- for errors, ommissions or damage howsoever caused.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 100 Where can I get the software?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 100 Where can I get the software?
-
- There are two pieces of software that you will need for any offline
- reading activities. A "generating program" (also known as a "packet
- generator" or "door") to build the packets on the BBS or login account,
- and a "reading program" (also known as a "packet reader") to read the
- packets on your home machine. This section lists software that can be
- used for each of these activities, together with the authors, FTP sites,
- and packet formats supported.
-
- In the case of interactive dial-in users, you may find that a suitable
- generating program may already exist on the system you call: ask the
- system administrator if you are unsure. For Waffle systems, you will
- need to ask the system administrator to install the generating software.
- For Unix, anyone who has access to a C compiler can compile and install
- the currently available software, so no intervention from the system
- administrator is required.
-
-
- 101 Where are the reviews?
-
- not here.
-
- if you are looking for reviews, post your requirements and see who
- else knows what you need. please do not be vague -- no one can help
- you when you just say you're looking to evaluate some `offline
- software for your computer'. what kind of computer is it you're
- using? what is the computer it's connecting to? what do you want to
- do -- mail, news, both, more? how much are you willing to pay? what
- sort of interface do you need? how sophisticated are you? etc.
-
- I will not be putting any reviews in here, partly because they would be
- difficult to maintain, and partly because I want to avoid any flak from
- a negative review which I did not write.
-
- if you want to periodically post a collection of reviews, go ahead.
- you don't need my approval.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 200 Where are the QWK readers?
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 200 Where are the QWK readers?
-
- not here. I don't plan on listing any software that mangles headers
- as much as QWK does. even with uqwk's +X expert mode, no QWK reader
- I'm aware of will yet do simple things like generate a References:
- header.
-
- until they do, look elsewhere for them. if you must.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 300 common sites, template
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 300 Common sites, template
-
- If you know of any other products that support offline activities for
- RFC-compliant mail and news, please send the following information in
- mail to auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca. Also, be sure to post
- your announcement, to make sure everyone knows about it.
-
-
- Name: [Product name]
- Author: [email address]
- Location: [ftp site] [filename] *
- Type: Packet Generator/Packet Reader/Both
- Environment: [msdos][mac][ms-windows][os2][atari-st][unix][etc.]
- Formats: [soup][zipnews]
- Description/Comments:
-
- * for the SimTel collection, just use `simtel' for the ftp site, and
- give the first two directories (e.g., `msdos/offline') plus filename.
- the main SimTel mirror is oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/
-
- for the Cica ms-windows collection, just use `cica' for the ftp site,
- and give the first directory (e.g., `util') plus filename. on cica
- itself, the ms-windows files are in ftp.cica.indiana.edu:/pub/pc/win3/
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 400 author contacts
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 400 author contacts
-
- soup rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
- zip zip-bugs@wkuvx1.wku.edu
- unzip zip-bugs@wkuvx1.wku.edu
- getnews ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk
- solar kjhoule@iowegia.dsm.ia.us
- uqwk seb3@gte.com
- uqwkselector seb3@gte.com
- zipnews jkilday@nlbbs.com
- hpv rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
- slnr ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk
- unor rrusbasa@nyx.cs.du.edu
- zipnewsreader jkilday@nlbbs.com
- yarn cthuang@io.org
- yarn-os2 cthuang@io.org
- yarneditorsh pg@login.dknet.dk
- paperboy vart@clark.net
- rfdmail yon@world.std.com
- toadnews jpmah@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
- pronto pronto@commtouch.com, [800-63-TOUCH,+1 415 578 8580]
- nnrnews hero@login.dkuug.dk
- offlinepgp staalesc@ifi.uio.no
- versatermlink maxwell@sales.synergy.com
- soupcmd combee@prism.gatech.edu
- macslurp ...
- offliner ...
- offline-orbit jts@krk.fi
- williamsnews rwilliam@netcom.com
- snuupm ccml@hippo.ru.ac.za
- uufree uufree@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- macsoup stk@dobag.in-berlin.de
- readmail jschipper@hut.nl
- newswerthy billw@eskimo.com
- newshopper laurent@mach.demon.co.uk
- newsfetcher h9151382@idefix.wu-wien.ac.at
- rnmac rrwood@io.org
- okami wr@bara.oche.de
- tetrix Johannes@tetrix.internet-eireann.ie
- winyarn ?
- souper cthuang@io.org
- wssoup magnus@ozemail.com.au
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 500 ftp sites
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 500 ftp sites
-
- soup simtel:msdos/offline/soup12.zip
- zip ftp.uu.net:/pub/archiving/zip/*
- unzip ftp.uu.net:/pub/archiving/zip/*
- getnews ftp.adelaide.edu.au:/pub/news/readers/off-line/slnr/ ...?
- solar simtel:msdos/waffle/solar094.zip
- uqwk ftp.gte.com:/pub/uqwk/uqwk1.8.tar.Z
- uqwkselector ftp.gte.com:/pub/uqwk/us/us1.1.tar.Z
- zipnews simtel:msdos/offline/znews97g.zip
- hpv simtel:msdos/offline/hpv101b.zip
- slnr ftp.adelaide.edu.au:/pub/news/readers/off-line/slnr/*
- unor ftp.gte.com:/pub/unor/unor0021.zip
- zipnewsreader simtel:msdos/offline/znr093b.zip
- yarn simtel:msdos/offline/yarn_079.zip
- yarn-os2 ftp-os2.cdrom.com:/os2/2_x/bbs/yrn2_065.zip [079 assumed...]
- yarneditorsh simtel:msdos/offline/yes-016b.zip
- paperboy ftp.clark.net:/pub/vart/pboy204.zip
- rfdmail garbo.uwasa.fi:/windows/comm/rfdml122.zip
- toadnews ftp.halcyon.com:/pub/tisk/tidbits/uucp/
- pronto [retail package] eval: commtouch.com:/pub/commtouch/eval.exe
- nnrnews simtel:msdos/offline/nnrnews2.zip
- offlinepgp simtel:msdos/offline/apgp212.zip
- versatermlink [retail package - nothing ftp-able]
- soupcmd ftp.gte.com:/pub/soupcmd/soupcmd.tar.gz.
- macslurp ...
- offliner metronet.com:/pub/xfer/ol06a.zip
- offline-orbit [via mail from author]
- williamsnews ftp.netcom.com:/pub/rwilliam/wnnws10b.zip
- snuupm simtel:msdos/uucp/snuupm23.zip
- uufree ftp.supernet.ab.ca:/pub/msdos/uufree/uufree06.zip,uufres06.zip
- macsoup ftp.gte.com:/pub/MacSOUP/*
- readmail ftp.winternet.com:/pub/ReadMail/rm50b75.zip
- newswerthy simtel:msdos/offline/nwrth140.zip
- newshopper ftp.halcyon.com:/pub/tisk/tidbits/tcp/news-hopper-10a-demo.hqx
- newsfetcher ftp.halcyon.com:/pub/tisk/tidbits/tcp/news-fetcher-045-hc.hqx
- rnmac ftp.halcyon.com:/pub/tisk/tidbits/uucp/rn-mac-13b6.hqx
- okami ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/atari/uucp/o_026.zip
- tetrix ftp.internet-eireann.ie:/pub/ie_access/dos/winsock/trp*
- winyarn gate.net:/pub/users/myob/*
- souper ftp-os2.nmsu.edu:/os2/32bit/unix/souper12.zip
- wssoup http://www.ozemail.com.au/~magnus
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 600 miscellaneous
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 600 miscellaneous
-
- soup - Simple Offline Usenet Packet format
- offlinepgp - soup-aware pgp addon
- yarneditorsh - editor shell
- winyarn - ? front-end to yarn?
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 700 packers
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 700 packers -- `name' - `function'; `platforms'; `standards'
-
- 701 getnews - generator; Unix; soup
- 702 solar - generator; msdos Waffle; soup
- 703 uqwk - generator; Unix NNTP, Unix spool; soup/zipnews
- 704 uqwkselector - generator; Unix NNTP, Unix spool; ...
- 705 zipnews - generator; msdos Waffle, PC-Board, Wildcat; zipnews
- 706 nnrnews - translator; msdos; nn save files, soup
- 707 soupcmd - uqwk add-on; Unix; soup commands that uqwk handles non-souply
- 708 macslurp - news importer via SLIP; mac; ...
- 709 newsfetcher - news importer via SLIP; mac; ...
- 710 souper - packer of SLIP mail/news; os2; soup
- 711 wssoup - packer of SLIP mail/news; ms-windows; soup
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: a.u.o software: 800 readers
- From: auofaq@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Alt.Usenet.Offline-reader FAQ)
-
- 800 readers -- `name' - `function'; `platforms'; `standards'
-
- 801 hpv (helldiver packet viewer) - reader; msdos; soup
- 802 slnr (simple local news reader) - reader; Unix, msdos, atari; soup
- 803 unor (USENET offline reader) - reader; ms-windows; soup
- 804 zipnewsreader - reader; msdos; zipnews
- 805 yarn - reader; msdos, os2; soup
- 806 paperboy - reader; ms-windows; soup
- 807 rfdmail - reader; ms-windows; proprietary
- 808 toadnews - reader pre-processor; mac; soup
- 809 pronto - reader; ms-windows; proprietary
- 810 versatermlink - reader; mac; proprietary
- 811 offliner - reader; ms-windows; soup
- 812 offline-orbit - reader; amiga; soup
- 813 williamsnews - reader; ms-windows; soup
- 814 macsoup - reader; mac; soup
- 815 readmail - reader; msdos; soup
- 816 newswerthy - reader; msdos; soup
- 817 newshopper - reader; mac; proprietary
- 818 rnmac - reader; mac; soup?
- 819 okami - reader; atari st; soup
- 820 tetrix - reader; msdos; slip-based soup
-